For some of us with Eclectus hormones come around with a bang and our once sweet, loving bird becomes a gremlin!
For Viggo hormones brought on a boy who would scream, lunge, bite, regurgitate on his perch and toys and have his way with nearly anything he could shake a feather on. This blog was started specifically because of hormones and a journal so to speak for myself to look back on to see what has worked and what has not as well as to help others along the way.
Must Haves for a Hormonal Bird:
Night/Sleep Cage
Lots of foraging items
The two above mentioned were huge on the avenue to improvement. In fact sleep cage alone seemed to cut back on his hormonal ways within days. But that wasn't without some diet modifications as well.
Keeping his beak busy also helped through foraging toys (Paper bags stuffed with treats, boxes with treats, puzzles with treats) Viggo loves almonds so I used slivered almonds to coax him into foraging and allowed him to watch me place the almond in the chosen foraging method. I also weaved kale, lettuce, beet leaves and such through the bars of his cage, put food in whole to keep him busy breaking it up, or on a squere like a kabob.
Viggo is flighted which during hormonal times is good and somewhat of a pain. The plus, I can keep him busy with flight to burn energy but those stunning wings can also carry him with ease to have his way or try with anything or fly at my daughter to strike at her. I chose times for flight where I can have one on one time and keep him active and busy! Prior to bed is a great time.
I repeatedly say diet is key...key to everything when it comes to our feathered friends, especially so with a hormonal bird. I found that cutting out cooked foods all together helped immensly. No warm mashes, rice, cooked/warm veggies....Instead I found that by cutting back on warm foods and fruit and feeding more raw veggies and sprouts that also played a part in cooling hormones.
I change my chopped veggies often but one I love to make and that Viggo loves is:
Kale, jalapeno, green/red/yellow/orange bell peppers, beets, bok choy, broccoli, sweet potato.
All of the above are just pulsed to bite sized bits in the food processor and then mixed in together. I then bag the above into portions for each week. 2TBSP for each morning, so 14TBSP/bag and then freeze those not in use. I just pull and defrost when needed. Having food prepped is wonderful for those of us with crazy busy lives. It's fast to prepare, bag and put away and saves on daily chopping and prep.
Here's a daily run down of food and amounts I feed. I'll give both an idea of when he's hormonal and when he is not hormonal. I feed based on the fact Viggo is flighted and active. If your bird is clipped I would cut back to 1-1.5TBSP of sprouts
Morning Meal:
2TBSP of Sprouts
2TBSP of the above Chop veggie mix (Lots of raw greens)
1TBSP of mixed berries (Black berries, raspberry, blueberry, pomogranate)
*I will also add a sprinkle of flax seed, hemp seed, chia seed on top of his veggies mix.
Mid Day Snack:
2 slices of apple
3 pcs of Slivered Almond
Dinner:
2TBSP of mixed veggies (peas, carrots, green beans)
Leaves of lettuce or kale weaved through the bars
1TSP of budgie seed (no vitamins or anything added) placed in a puzzle to forage.
Slice of Papaya or Mango
When Viggo is hormonal I cut out corn, pellets and cooked foods. I find that with him these tend to trigger hormones.
When he is not hormonal and generally through the winter months I will feed small amounts of Harrison Lifetime pellets (either fine or course). Not daily and just a sprinkle or a couple course fed in the morning.
Here is a run down of a basic non-hormonal daily feed:
Morning (Not Hormonal)
2TBSP Sprouts
2TBSP Mixed Chopped Veggies (lots of raw greens)
2TBSP fruit (Mango, berries, papaya, passion fruit.....)
1TSP Harrisons (Or I will feed this as his afternoon snack in place of the almonds)
*I will also add a sprinkle of chia, flax, hemp hearts
Afternoon Snack (Not Hormonal)
A couple Apple or Banana slices
3 pcs slivered almond
Dinner (Not Hormonal)
2TBSP Mixed veggies in chunks
1TBSP cooked grains (Quinoa, rice, cooked legumes)
Bedtime Snack (Not Hormonal)
1TSP Budgie Seed
Each week I give Viggo a small amount of cooked egg hormonal or not. By Small I mean less than 1/4 of a hardboiled egg. He has never shown much interest in chicken, fish, chicken bones or any other meat.
When he is not hormonal I will also switch out his evening grains for bird bread that I make.
Viggo generally eats everything in his bowl without fail. Sometimes he will toss food to the bottom of the cage but being that I cover the bars with newspaper for easy cleaning it catches the food and Viggo will go down and work on whatever he tosses later. Some foods he doesn't care for but will destroy.
It's been a learning curve for sure, trial and error through the ten years that I have had him. Initially when he first came he toe tapped and wing flipped which got me into journaling and it helped immensely to learn the triggers. In later years I have done the same with his hormones and this is how I have learned what works for him diet wise. I highly recommend journaling to anyone who is struggling with toe tapping, wing flipping, hormones or just behaviors. It truly helps! Sometimes reading back you learn that it's something small that you are doing that triggers on going behaviors and it hits, then through removal...voila the behavior ceases. Joining bird chats and online groups also helps as the abundance of people able to share what they have done for different struggles can assist in our own.
Feeding Eclectus is fun. Be a chef, change it up, make it colorful and vary the sizes of the food fed. Ekkies love to eat...but be aware of what you are feeding and how they respond.
I hope my daily run down of what I feed and the amounts help. Remember, the mentioned fruits and veggies are a guideline, change it up...they do get board like us.
MEGAN, Thank you very much for the detailed story!
ReplyDeleteYou grind all vegetables together or separately?
ReplyDeleteDo you give Viggo red palm oil (as an additive)? It is given Grey parrots. Can I give eclectus?
In the picture is exactly the kind of pellets Harrison's that you give Viggo?
I put the veggies into the food processor with the hardest veggies first to the softest and make sure not to over pulse. When I make a big batch I'll empty the processor then add more and mix it all together. I have used red palm oil, coconut oil, hemp seed oil too. The Harrision's shown is the one I feed most often as it's small like seed so there is less waste. I have used the lifetime coarse and pepper lifetime as well but the larger pellets I like to use in treat puzzles or for foraging. :)
ReplyDeleteLovely post! Full of information about your flavourful recipes :)
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for sharing!
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Hi There! We are new Ellie owners and we've been encountering issues with toe tapping, unfortunately. You mentioned this was also an issue early on for you guys. What were the triggers in your case? I usually give Zhora breakfast bowls of cut up fruit and veggies. He loves passion fruit, apple, mango, plums or nectarines. Sometimes I give him berries as well. He doesn't like strawberries, but he'll have blueberries. Veggies can include broccoli, or Chinese leafy greens, red/green bell peppers, hot Chili's as a treat. I sometimes throw in a few seeds, like pumpkin or a few sunflower seeds. I tried giving him fresh coconut a couple times but he never seemed that into it. I just can't seem to find the triggers for the tapping. Could it be a lack of protein? I give him a either sprouts or chick peas or green peas everyday. He also really loves green string beans. Maybe I need to feed him more eggs? He also is quite uninterested in meats. Could it be a lack of something, or is it too much of something? Any hints on what it was in your case might be a good clue.Thanks!
ReplyDeleteMy best advice is to journal what you feed daily. That helped me immensely! On advice from my vet I cut Viggo's food to the very basics. No pellets or seeds, just sprouts and veggies. I gradually added in more options but allowed days in between before I added more to see if anything triggered tapping. I learned that the calcium supplement I was giving was one trigger, even when I cut it back to the smallest amount it still made him tap/flip. Additionally I learned anything like bread, cereal or other food like pasta triggered tapping/flipping so I didn't offer him anything I ate even if he was curious or begging. By keeping a journal I was quickly able to see what his triggers were. If you add supplements or pellets cut them out, same with see. Start very simple and do not add more than one food/pellet/suppliment at a time. You'll need to keep pellets/supplements/seed out of the diet for a bit so that everything leaves his system before starting to reintroduce foods. Sometimes it can be the oddest things that trigger tapping/flipping. With proteins they may not be keen at first but continue offering. I found with Viggo eventually he would try proteins like chicken, fish, even a drumstick with marrow. Do not feed too much either. Getting a baseline panel at the vet will help determine as well how he is and if he needs more of anything :) Then going forward you have something to look back at as well.
ReplyDeleteThanks Megan, that's good advice. Its comforting to know that it can be improved. I am starting a food journal for Zhora. I don't give him supplements or pellets but i do give him a little of some kind of grain/cereal each day, either cous-cous, plain steamed rice, or things like that. He does really like hardboiled egg white, but i will continue trying to introduce proteins. He is a big beggar, and I'm a big sucker, but I've made a big effort to stop giving him table scraps, and insist on him eating from his own bowls at dinner.
ReplyDeleteAnother question, you mentioned Viggo has a sleep cage which helped a lot when he was having hormonal issues. If you dont mind my asking, where is it? Lately Zhora has been sleeping on his training perch on my bedside table. But I'vebeen thinking of getting a larger play gym type thing for him to sleep on, as the training perch is a bit wobbly. Would you recommend that, or is a cage the best option for behavioural reasons?
Cheerios, plain chips, bread...those things caused toe tapping with Viggo. Also some cooked foods would.
ReplyDeleteThose green boys sure can steal our hearts and cause us to bend and treat them :) Viggo used to as well. I always fed him his breakfast and meals at the same time we ate. I found that when he was busy eating he didn't beg us while we were eating.
As for his sleep cage I used to put him in it in my bedroom. However I found that he would startle a bit when I would sneak in to bed so I moved his sleep cage to the spare room where he would have complete darkness and undisturbed sleep. If I had left Viggo outside of a cage he would be on me I have no doubt. He was like a cat that way. If I was under the weather he would fly through the house and into my room just to nest beside me in bed and keep me company. Personally I found the cage to be best for him. It would also be great in the event of an emergency as I could literally grab him and go as the sleep cage had a handle to carry. :)